Thanks to everyone for the information and the points. I am particularly grateful to commiteechairman for the ks book references. I will share with the person who asked me. With an adult child, it seems subjective. Well, the whole thing is subjective to start with.
Simon Templar
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Can an inactive family member hold back a MS appointment?
by Simon Templar ina friend asked me if a man can be appointed a ms if he has an inactive (inactive for 15-20 years) baptized adult child living in his home.
the child lives by the rules and doesn't do anything wrong (jw-wise), as i am told.
i know the child (adult) and is a good kid as far as i know.
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Can an inactive family member hold back a MS appointment?
by Simon Templar ina friend asked me if a man can be appointed a ms if he has an inactive (inactive for 15-20 years) baptized adult child living in his home.
the child lives by the rules and doesn't do anything wrong (jw-wise), as i am told.
i know the child (adult) and is a good kid as far as i know.
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Simon Templar
A friend asked me if a man can be appointed a MS if he has an inactive (inactive for 15-20 years) baptized adult child living in his home. The child lives by the rules and doesn't do anything wrong (JW-wise), as I am told. I know the child (adult) and is a good kid as far as I know. I told my friend that I am out of touch with the official elder stuff to be much help. Dose anyone know? Any current elders or COs out there who can tell us what the current thinking is as of present?
I do recall a brother being appointed a MS and then an elder who had a disfellowshipped wife living at home. The BOE and CO said that the man couldn't be held back forever because of the wife. That was many years ago though. I really don't know. I also don't know why anyone would want to be appointed, but thats another story. I am sure the rules have softened over the years because of the great need for men.
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"High" education
by Esmeralda001 indid any of you guys disregard the wt recommendations and pursue a career.
if you answer "yes": was your journey easy?
are you happy with the end result?
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Simon Templar
I went to College in the 1970s when it was demonized. If a person went to College they couldn't "handle the utensils". That was a reason for many not to go.
I never told anyone including my family. I just did it because I thought it was a good thing for me, and wasn't a DF offense. I have had a good job, career and now a business. No problems in that area. My Mother died without knowing. My only sibling doesn't know (officially from me anyhow). I am now out of College for forty years.
People in the KH know because they ask me directly. The education comes out when I answer at the meetings and give talks, read aloud, etc. I encouraged all of our kids to get an education beyond HS. My wife dose too. I never told them what to do or study. Its their choice. If they asked for help, I was there. I was an appointed person for many years. I deleted myself. Serving was too much of a problem for me. My education never was mentioned (that I know of) by the BOE. When people in the KH ask me details of my education I change the subject. None of their business really. I keep people out of my personal life as much as possible. So far, so good.
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Wilmington Delaware Media report in another Topic
by truthlover insexual abuse by a female member of a 14 year old in the congregation and elders being sued by the county --- now that co's are liable for the elders only - does that mean the elders will lose everything if fines are levelled against them, since the society has washed their hands and separated themselves by setting the co in place??
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My understanding of this and the general common law which is mainly the same in all states of the USA is that with new appointments, the WTB&TS can no longer be tied to them. They don't appoint anyone anymore and accept the decision of the local BOE and the associated CO. This is a protection for the WTB&TS being dragged into either a criminal or civil litigation based on the actions of an Elder. If a congregant is harmed by an Elder the only thing the congregant can do is sue in a civil law suit. If its criminal, such as a sex crime, the state has to prosecute the Elder. In most cases (not everyone) the Elders do not have enough personal assets to make a litigation worth while. If their alleged crime is criminal, the state takes over after you involve the police or go to the DA. In almost all cases the WTB&TS is no longer directly involved. They are removed from the appointment process and direct knowledge of what's going on. -
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Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized
by ILoveTTATT2 inhi people,.
i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).
1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.
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Simon Templar
1) raised
2) 1967
3) Still in, But not for long.Time in: 48 years
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The Elders are Coming Help!
by LaurenM inso the elders keep bugging me and pestering me about having a meeting with them to "introduce me to my new congregation" for some reason (do any ex elders know what that even means??).
i keep postponing and making excuses and they are getting more and more aggressive.
i finally agreed for them to come over today, but really don't want to..should i hide from them again?
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Simon Templar
This is some kind of "search and destroy" thing that they have going on at the moment. They know if they are persistent, and they meet with you, you have agreed, become a "known" publisher/member with some level of contact by them and their control. If you don't want that, and are trying to fade, don't meet with them. Just call and postpone. Don't reschedule, if that's what you want. Don't let them know you or have a condition where they can just come to your house because you are a "member". -
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Why didn't Jehovah know the flood wouldn't work?
by OverlappingGeneralizations inthis has been something that is bugging me lately-.
jehovah is all knowing.
he knows that to do away with evil, he has to do away with satan.
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I think that his objective was the short term only and that it is an example of what he can/will do (if I remember the application correctly). Take it from there. -
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How Many JWs Really Believe Everything They Are Told?
by minimus ini think that 80% of jws do not truly believe in what they are taught .
the vast majority stay in because of family, friends, ignorance and a lack of caring about any of the facts regarding the "truth".
many people are lazy.
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Simon Templar
In my Congo there are many elderly, and many late-middle aged ones. We have people in the truth since 1940s and 1950s in our Congo. Almost all of them don't believe much of what is "the truth" anymore, or pick and chose selected parts of what they will go along with. That's what they tell me at any rate.
One common thread between all of them is that they have been in the truth so long, they can't get out. It is too emotionally engrained in them, they can't let go. So they are actually "out", in their inner mind, but can't escape physically. There are too many "tentacles" that tie them to the religion. Their kids are gone in many cases but they are still "in". They say and do whatever they want because they are too old to really care anymore. They have been "in" so long they don't even know how to do anything wrong and be thrown out, so that's not a danger to them anymore. They are getting vocal about things. The Watchtower study has had a few "unorthodox" comments from them recently. The Elders are getting nervous calling on some of them. They are all mad about doing what they were told throughout their life and now at age 70-80 years old not having the money or normal amount of wealth (as their peers have) to live. They feel that they have been lied to. My Wife feels the same way, but I have taken care of the money end, so we don't worry about that as the others do. The WTB&TS created this situation and they will have to come up with the solution or it will boil over really soon.
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Passionless loveless JW.ORG. How? Why? My experience with these Pharasees.
by Witness 007 inso i studied with this guy who is now an elder in my moms hall.
she has cancer and is black and blue from it.
we are like real family so i invite him over for drinks and pizza.
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This kind of behavior is status quo.
My Wife had pneumonia last winter. She didn't attend a meeting for five weeks. She finally gets to a meeting. The Secretary sees her and says, "I am missing a field service report from you. Please give it to me tonight before you leave". He didn't have a clue. My wife told all the sisters via phone she was sick. No brother asked her how she was.
I had a very serious potentially life-threatening illness. I was home from the hospital. The Bethelite was hanging around the Congo for the day, and called my house (around dinner time) and asked if he could come over and visit. My wife held the phone and asked me. I said no. She told him no. I returned to the meeting a few weeks later. I saw him at the meeting. He never asked how I was. I guess no free food was connected with me at the time.
This is just a few of many situations like this. Its constant. None of the brothers will inquire of your health, unless its to give you a work assignment and they see you cant walk or something.